Knife Attack in Australia

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Knife Attack in Australia

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SYDNEY (AP) — A man stabbed six people to death at a busy Sydney shopping center Saturday before he was fatally shot, police said. Eight people, including a 9-month-old, were injured in the attack.

The 40-year-old suspect began stabbing people at the Westfield Shopping Centre in Bondi Junction, which is in the city's eastern suburbs, before a police inspector shot him after he turned and raised a knife, New South Wales Assistant Police Commissioner Anthony Cooke told reporters.

Six of the victims — five women and a man — and the suspect died. Commissioner Karen Webb said the eight injured people were being treated at hospitals. The baby was in surgery, but it was too early to know the condition, she said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sydney-aus ... ck-5-dead/

This is horrible! :shock:
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We can be grateful that the police were armed and able to “not bear the sword in vain”. However, the long term effect of (a) tolerating violent people and (b) banning guns for self defence means that eventually people will start to carry knives with them for protection.

However, ultimately, in order to have peace on earth, men must choose to follow the Prince of Peace, including following the whole gospel, the good news of Jesus Christ, teaching us we may lay our lives down and not give in to either unlawful revenge and urges to hurt others, or even lawful self defence.
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GaryK wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 8:21 am
SYDNEY (AP) — A man stabbed six people to death at a busy Sydney shopping center Saturday before he was fatally shot, police said. Eight people, including a 9-month-old, were injured in the attack.

The 40-year-old suspect began stabbing people at the Westfield Shopping Centre in Bondi Junction, which is in the city's eastern suburbs, before a police inspector shot him after he turned and raised a knife, New South Wales Assistant Police Commissioner Anthony Cooke told reporters.

Six of the victims — five women and a man — and the suspect died. Commissioner Karen Webb said the eight injured people were being treated at hospitals. The baby was in surgery, but it was too early to know the condition, she said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sydney-aus ... ck-5-dead/

This is horrible! :shock:
Horrific! We will include them in our prayers.
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Josh wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:28 am We can be grateful that the police were armed and able to “not bear the sword in vain”. However, the long term effect of (a) tolerating violent people and (b) banning guns for self defence means that eventually people will start to carry knives with them for protection.

However, ultimately, in order to have peace on earth, men must choose to follow the Prince of Peace, including following the whole gospel, the good news of Jesus Christ, teaching us we may lay our lives down and not give in to either unlawful revenge and urges to hurt others, or even lawful self defence.
The police didn't take him out using swords. They used guns. There is clearly a hierarchy of weaponry in terms of its lethality.

fists < clubs < knives < small capacity bolt action type firearms < high capacity semi-auto firearms < full auto firearms < military weaponry and explosives

Society has to draw the line somewhere. Australia has chosen to draw the line at a different place than the US. And we can examine the the policy consequences of that choice. Australia has a murder rate that is 8-times lower than the US, and a rate of gun deaths that is 14-times lower than the US. That isn't coincidence.
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Ken wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:24 pm fists < clubs < knives < small capacity bolt action type firearms < high capacity semi-auto firearms < full auto firearms < military weaponry and explosives
Sounds like the action in one of those Stallone movies. Never have seen it but friends talk about it.
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Ken wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:24 pm
Josh wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:28 am We can be grateful that the police were armed and able to “not bear the sword in vain”. However, the long term effect of (a) tolerating violent people and (b) banning guns for self defence means that eventually people will start to carry knives with them for protection.

However, ultimately, in order to have peace on earth, men must choose to follow the Prince of Peace, including following the whole gospel, the good news of Jesus Christ, teaching us we may lay our lives down and not give in to either unlawful revenge and urges to hurt others, or even lawful self defence.
The police didn't take him out using swords. They used guns. There is clearly a hierarchy of weaponry in terms of its lethality.

fists < clubs < knives < small capacity bolt action type firearms < high capacity semi-auto firearms < full auto firearms < military weaponry and explosives

Society has to draw the line somewhere. Australia has chosen to draw the line at a different place than the US. And we can examine the the policy consequences of that choice. Australia has a murder rate that is 8-times lower than the US, and a rate of gun deaths that is 14-times lower than the US. That isn't coincidence.
Australia also has different demographics than America, although as that changes Australia’s murder rate and amount of shootings are going up.

Likewise, Sweden had a rather brutal shooting last week of a Polish man on his bicycle by a group of “youths”. So much for their vaunted gun control and progressive criminal justice system.
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Ken wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:24 pm

Society has to draw the line somewhere. Australia has chosen to draw the line at a different place than the US.
Wife: So for some reason, this statement struck me as funny because it sounds just like an argument I hear in relation to church standards. Maybe that’s a little ridiculous, but that was the first thing I thought when I read that sentence.

I am not promoting one side or another gun control wise because I really don’t know what’s the best option. I think that is a very sad situation, and I hope the baby pulls through and still has some family to live with.
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Soloist wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:51 pm
Ken wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:24 pm

Society has to draw the line somewhere. Australia has chosen to draw the line at a different place than the US.
Wife: So for some reason, this statement struck me as funny because it sounds just like an argument I hear in relation to church standards. Maybe that’s a little ridiculous, but that was the first thing I thought when I read that sentence.

I am not promoting one side or another gun control wise because I really don’t know what’s the best option. I think that is a very sad situation, and I hope the baby pulls through and still has some family to live with.
It is accurate though. There isn't one thing called "gun control" It is a spectrum and every country has to decide where to put their line. Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't allow people to defend their properties with land mines or drive around with RPGs, heavy machine guns, or hand grenades in their cars. And no one even thinks twice about it. So even in the most permissive state in the country we have still drawn lines.
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Ken wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:10 pm
Soloist wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:51 pm
Ken wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:24 pm

Society has to draw the line somewhere. Australia has chosen to draw the line at a different place than the US.
Wife: So for some reason, this statement struck me as funny because it sounds just like an argument I hear in relation to church standards. Maybe that’s a little ridiculous, but that was the first thing I thought when I read that sentence.

I am not promoting one side or another gun control wise because I really don’t know what’s the best option. I think that is a very sad situation, and I hope the baby pulls through and still has some family to live with.
It is accurate though. There isn't one thing called "gun control" It is a spectrum and every country has to decide where to put their line. Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't allow people to defend their properties with land mines or drive around with RPGs, heavy machine guns, or hand grenades in their cars. And no one even thinks twice about it. So even in the most permissive state in the country we have still drawn lines.
True. And in Mexico where there are very restrictive laws, you have cartels with their own militias armed to the teeth with heavy duty military weaponry.
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RZehr wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:14 pm
Ken wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:10 pm
Soloist wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:51 pm
Wife: So for some reason, this statement struck me as funny because it sounds just like an argument I hear in relation to church standards. Maybe that’s a little ridiculous, but that was the first thing I thought when I read that sentence.

I am not promoting one side or another gun control wise because I really don’t know what’s the best option. I think that is a very sad situation, and I hope the baby pulls through and still has some family to live with.
It is accurate though. There isn't one thing called "gun control" It is a spectrum and every country has to decide where to put their line. Despite the 2nd Amendment, we don't allow people to defend their properties with land mines or drive around with RPGs, heavy machine guns, or hand grenades in their cars. And no one even thinks twice about it. So even in the most permissive state in the country we have still drawn lines.
True. And in Mexico where there are very restrictive laws, you have cartels with their own militias armed to the teeth with heavy duty military weaponry.
Yes, virtually all those weapons are imported from the United States which is a huge problem for Mexico.
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