Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapse

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Re: Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapse

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barnhart wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 11:05 am There are countries around the world where infrastructure is built very fast but I doubt anyone on this thread wants to live there. Bureaucracy is troublesome but it's absence is tyranny. Quite often the layers of balancing interests produce better results than we give credit for. If this seems doubtful, look at bureaucracy free societies.
This aligns with my preoccupation about the importance of the politically UNorganized, diverse majority.
It’s often awkward, inefficient, but it has more capacity to produce better outcomes.

The beloved efficiency god is not always best for life on earth.
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Ernie wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:01 am
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:09 pmPoliticians are squabbling, as they do. My new prediction of a replacement bridge-Not in my lifetime.
I say Amen to this guy's recommendation.
Yes. Coast guard district commander is the incident commander, and has charge. Looking at the "largest crane on the east coast" it looks so small........
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Cranes on barges always seem vulnerable to me. I've been in boats and stability never looked like a strong point.
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barnhart wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 6:13 pm Cranes on barges always seem vulnerable to me. I've been in boats and stability never looked like a strong point.
Yet we can land rockets on a barge.
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Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:47 pmLooking at the "largest crane on the east coast" it looks so small........
This is a 1000 ton crane. There are 20,000 ton cranes elsewhere in the world.



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Some reason this headline cracked me up. :)
Experts Say Bridge Collapsed Because It Was Struck by Giant Ship
Ever since a huge cargo ship leveled Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge on Tuesday — tragically killing six road crew workers — the internet has been filling up with deranged conspiracy theories.

But the simplest explanation is overwhelmingly the most likely: the impact caused catastrophic "structural failures" that the aging structure couldn't withstand, University of Warwick civil engineering professor Toby Mottram told the Independent.

It’s conceivable that the piers weren’t designed to withstand the magnitude of today’s ship impacts, as vessels like the 'Dali' weren’t navigating the Port of Baltimore during the era," he told the newspaper.

Whether any bridge could have withstood such an impact is unclear. Reporters at the New York Times pulled out the calculators and determined that to stop the ship would have taken a third of the force "it took to launch the Saturn V rocket for the Apollo Moon missions."

Basically, an unstoppable force ran into a not-quite-indestructible object, with devastating consequences.

Still, there's been no end to the conspiracy theories. Toxic manosphere influencer Andrew Tate, for instance, asserted without evidence that the boat had been cyberattacked. Others have ludicrously suggested that diverse hiring practices were somehow responsible.

Back in reality, that's just garden-variety racism, and authorities say there's no evidence that terrorism was involved either. The more mundane explanation of corporate greed may have played a factor, though: it emerged after the collision that the company that had chartered the ship had been sanctioned last year for silencing a whistleblower who raised safety concerns.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/experts-brid ... 14805.html
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RZehr wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:54 pm Some reason this headline cracked me up. :)
Experts Say Bridge Collapsed Because It Was Struck by Giant Ship
Ever since a huge cargo ship leveled Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge on Tuesday — tragically killing six road crew workers — the internet has been filling up with deranged conspiracy theories.

But the simplest explanation is overwhelmingly the most likely: the impact caused catastrophic "structural failures" that the aging structure couldn't withstand, University of Warwick civil engineering professor Toby Mottram told the Independent.

It’s conceivable that the piers weren’t designed to withstand the magnitude of today’s ship impacts, as vessels like the 'Dali' weren’t navigating the Port of Baltimore during the era," he told the newspaper.

Whether any bridge could have withstood such an impact is unclear. Reporters at the New York Times pulled out the calculators and determined that to stop the ship would have taken a third of the force "it took to launch the Saturn V rocket for the Apollo Moon missions."

Basically, an unstoppable force ran into a not-quite-indestructible object, with devastating consequences.

Still, there's been no end to the conspiracy theories. Toxic manosphere influencer Andrew Tate, for instance, asserted without evidence that the boat had been cyberattacked. Others have ludicrously suggested that diverse hiring practices were somehow responsible.

Back in reality, that's just garden-variety racism, and authorities say there's no evidence that terrorism was involved either. The more mundane explanation of corporate greed may have played a factor, though: it emerged after the collision that the company that had chartered the ship had been sanctioned last year for silencing a whistleblower who raised safety concerns.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/experts-brid ... 14805.html
They don't actually have to stop the ship, just deflect its course
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RZehr wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:54 pm Some reason this headline cracked me up. :)
Experts Say Bridge Collapsed Because It Was Struck by Giant Ship
Back in reality, that's just garden-variety racism, and authorities say there's no evidence that terrorism was involved either. The more mundane explanation of corporate greed may have played a factor, though: it emerged after the collision that the company that had chartered the ship had been sanctioned last year for silencing a whistleblower who raised safety concerns.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/experts-brid ... 14805.html
If it's premature to suggest diverse hiring practices as a contributing factor, maybe it's also premature to suggest corporate greed as a factor?
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Re: Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapse

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RZehr wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:54 pm Some reason this headline cracked me up. :)
Experts Say Bridge Collapsed Because It Was Struck by Giant Ship
Does that make you a crackpot now????
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ken_sylvania wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:31 pm
RZehr wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:54 pm Some reason this headline cracked me up. :)
Experts Say Bridge Collapsed Because It Was Struck by Giant Ship
Does that make you a crackpot now????
Babylon Bee-worthy. :mrgreen:
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