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Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:41 pm
by Ken
temporal1 wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:37 pmDeja Taylor, the mother of a six-year-old boy who shot his teacher in Virginia, has been sentenced to two years in prison.
She left her 9 mm handgun unsecured and her 6 year old took it to school and shot his teacher with his mother's gun.

She does have some culpability.

Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:03 pm
by Josh
Guns, ammo, and 6 year olds don’t mix. Keep your ammo and firearms stored separately, unless you can personally secure the weapon (such as in a holster) and be accountable for where a loaded gun is.

Guns stored near ammo should be treated as “loaded”.

Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:28 am
by temporal1
Chase Daniel Jones of Kent WA
18 years old, 3rd crashed car

Man charged in deadly 112 mph Renton crash pleads not guilty from hospital bed
Description:
The 18-year-old man accused of running a red light at 112 mph in Renton before crashing into a van and killing four people on March 19 video-called in from his hospital bed to make his first court appearance Monday morning.

Chase Daniel Jones of Kent
pleaded not guilty to four counts of vehicular homicide, two counts of vehicular assault, and reckless driving.

Court documents say
38-year-old Andrea Smith Hudson,
13-year-old Matilda Wilcoxson,
12-year-old Eloise Wilcoxson and
12-year-old Boyd Buster Brown
were all in the van that Jones crashed into and were “immediately killed” in the “incredibly violent collision.”

According to charging papers, Jones has been involved in three major crashes in the last year that included speeding and totaling multiple vehicles.
Why bail for the suspect accused of causing a fatal crash in Renton was reduced to $100,000


Deadly Renton crash: Can parents be held responsible?
Description:
Former prosecutor Mark Lindquist sheds light on the legal implications.
While there might not be criminal liability for the parents, they could face civil responsibility under negligent entrustment if they own the car and loaned it to their son.

my.head.hurts.

Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:53 am
by Ken
temporal1 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:28 am Chase Daniel Jones of Kent WA
18 years old, 3rd crashed car

Man charged in deadly 112 mph Renton crash pleads not guilty from hospital bed

The 18-year-old man accused of running a red light at 112 mph in Renton before crashing into a van and killing four people on March 19 video-called in from his hospital bed to make his first court appearance Monday morning.

Chase Daniel Jones of Kent
pleaded not guilty to four counts of vehicular homicide, two counts of vehicular assault, and reckless driving.

Court documents say
38-year-old Andrea Smith Hudson,
13-year-old Matilda Wilcoxson,
12-year-old Eloise Wilcoxson and
12-year-old Boyd Buster Brown
were all in the van that Jones crashed into and were “immediately killed” in the “incredibly violent collision.”

According to charging papers, Jones has been involved in three major crashes in the last year that included speeding and totaling multiple vehicles.

Why bail for the suspect accused of causing a fatal crash in Renton was reduced to $100,000

Deadly Renton crash: Can parents be held responsible?

Former prosecutor Mark Lindquist sheds light on the legal implications.
While there might not be criminal liability for the parents, they could face civil responsibility under negligent entrustment if they own the car and loaned it to their son.
my.head.hurts.
Why does your head hurt? Bail is not intended to be punishment. It is intended to insure that someone accused of a crime returns to stand trial.
What are the chances that he is going to flee? An 18 year old fugitive? Where is he going to go? How is he going to live? He would almost certainly get picked up and then face additional charges. His face would be all over the news just like the "affluenza teen" who killed people in TX which his car then fled to Mexico and was eventually deported back. The cost of holding someone in jail is about $200/day in King County. It would be substantially more for this individual since they would have to provide medical treatment as well. Is that a good use of taxpayer dollars? As opposed to slapping an ankle bracelet on him and sending him home to house arrest?

As for his previous driving record of getting into car crashes? I'm a cyclist and hey, there are times when I'd be perfectly happy to see all reckless drivers locked up and the keys thrown away. You speed and get into a car crash? Go straight to jail, do no pass go, and your car is seized and crushed so that neither you nor your vehicle are ever a menace to others again. But we don't live in that world, do we?

Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:25 pm
by ohio jones
Ken wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:53 am His face would be all over the news just like the "affluenza teen" who killed people in TX which his car then fled to Mexico and was eventually deported back.
His car fled to Mexico? Are they letting autonomous vehicles across the border now?

Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:18 pm
by Josh
ohio jones wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:25 pm
Ken wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:53 am His face would be all over the news just like the "affluenza teen" who killed people in TX which his car then fled to Mexico and was eventually deported back.
His car fled to Mexico? Are they letting autonomous vehicles across the border now?
Perhaps his car has that newfangled AI we're hearing about it, since it was capable of making decisions like to flee and enough legal personality to be deported.

Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:27 pm
by temporal1
my.head.hurts ..
that any driver would engage in a high speed COLLISION (not accident, no signs of braking) in a busy intersection, with at least 4 dead. that this is the 3rd major collision for this driver, he continues to drive. he drove to the 3rd deadly crash. survived.

i hope he is never licensed to drive again.
WA has great public transportation.

(i have no idea if he was licensed or driving an insured vehicle.) these things do not matter to too many drivers.

for this topic, the question of parental responsibility is the reason i posted the report.
in this case, evidently, this is not a fatherless home.

if parents are to be accountable, laws need to respect parental discipline.

Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:29 pm
by Josh
temporal1 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:27 pm my.head.hurts ..
that any driver would engage in a high speed COLLISION (not accident, no signs of braking) in a busy intersection, with at least 4 dead. that this is the 3rd major collision for this driver, he continues to drive. he drove to the 3rd deadly crash. survived.

i hope he is never licensed to drive again.
WA has great public transportation.

(i have no idea if he was licensed or driving an insured vehicle.) these things do not matter to too many drivers.

for this topic, the question of parental responsibility is the reason i posted the report.
in this case, evidently, this is not a fatherless home.

if parents are to be accountable, laws need to respect parental discipline.
He's 18. What does parental responsibility have to do with anything?

Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:31 pm
by temporal1
Josh wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:29 pm
temporal1 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:27 pm my.head.hurts ..
that any driver would engage in a high speed COLLISION (not accident, no signs of braking) in a busy intersection, with at least 4 dead. that this is the 3rd major collision for this driver, he continues to drive. he drove to the 3rd deadly crash. survived.

i hope he is never licensed to drive again.
WA has great public transportation.

(i have no idea if he was licensed or driving an insured vehicle.) these things do not matter to too many drivers.

for this topic, the question of parental responsibility is the reason i posted the report.
in this case, evidently, this is not a fatherless home.

if parents are to be accountable, laws need to respect parental discipline.
He's 18. What does parental responsibility have to do with anything?
Discussed in the 3rd video above. Not in depth.

Re: Crumbley Family Convictions and Sentencings

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:42 pm
by Ken
Josh wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:29 pm
temporal1 wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:27 pm my.head.hurts ..
that any driver would engage in a high speed COLLISION (not accident, no signs of braking) in a busy intersection, with at least 4 dead. that this is the 3rd major collision for this driver, he continues to drive. he drove to the 3rd deadly crash. survived.

i hope he is never licensed to drive again.
WA has great public transportation.

(i have no idea if he was licensed or driving an insured vehicle.) these things do not matter to too many drivers.

for this topic, the question of parental responsibility is the reason i posted the report.
in this case, evidently, this is not a fatherless home.

if parents are to be accountable, laws need to respect parental discipline.
He's 18. What does parental responsibility have to do with anything?
I don't know the whole story here. But apparently he keeps crashing cars and his parents keep buying him new ones. If the parents bought the car and gave him the keys while knowing he was a menace on the road then they may share some responsibility regardless of how old he is.

He was on his 3rd car after totaling his first two. This one was a 2015 Audi A4. Most 18 year olds don't have the wherewithal to do that on their own.