Gaza's Irrational Hatred

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Jewish & Non-Jewish Population of Israel/Palestine
(1517 - Present)
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/je ... 17-present

Palestinians in Israel
https://minorityrights.org/communities/palestinians/

Demographics of Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

[HondurasKeiser]

The people of Palestine also have a right to exist.

Yes, they do. I have stated this multiple times.

I don't think anyone here argues otherwise.

[Jazman]

Most countries in the middle east had substantial Jewish populations going back centuries or millennia.

Most Jews were forced out due to overt actions by Arab/Muslim governments in the 1940s and 1950s or just the fact that it was no longer safe for them to remain living within majority Muslim populations. Many lost all their property and wealth when they had to flee, mostly to Israel, the US, or to a lesser degree, Western Europe.

The Arab world in the 1940s and 1950s basically made it clear that they were not interested in maintaining multi-ethnic and multi-faith societies.

Do you know Why they chose to do that, then? What was the impetus or motivation then and not say, 50, 100, etc yrs earlier...?

[JohnHurt]

The people of Palestine also have a right to exist.

Yes, they do. I have stated this multiple times.

I don't think anyone here argues otherwise.

If the people of Palestine have a right to exist, then why are they being killed? Why didn't Israel just arrest the men responsible for Oct 7, and leave the rest of the people in Gaza alone? Why do they have to keep killing everyone in Gaza to "avenge" Oct 7th?

Because they don't have the right to exist, under Zionism.

No, something is wrong with the logic here, saying that both sides have the right to exist when one side is being annihilated.

Here is the "common sense" answer that would solve the Palestinian "problem" from the men who founded our country:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,

No, Palestinians are not legally equal to the Jews in Israel. The people of Gaza are not allowed the right to vote, based on their race. This needs to change and they should be equal in every way to the Zionists.

that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

The people of Gaza have neither their lives, their liberty, and there is no happiness when your hospital is being shelled. The Zionists need to be held accountable.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

The people of Gaza and the Palestinian people are not being governed by their consent. As a result, the government of the State of Israel does not derive its rights from the "Creator" without the consent of the governed. The government of the State of Israel is illegitimate in that it rules without the consent of the governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

Except for the people of Gaza. They do not have any means to alter or abolish the government that has become destructive of their "inalienable" rights. They should "at least" be able to vote the Zionists out of office.

"Ballots not Bullets." That is the answer.

I understand Netanyahu and his Zionist party is hanging onto power by a thread, because all of the "normal" Jews that hate Zionism oppose Netanyahu and the other Zionists.

All they need is to give the right to vote to all Palestinians, everyone over 18 years old, universal suffrage for all people, not limited to race or religion. If they do this, Zionism will meet the same fate as Communism. The majority of people in Israel oppose Zionism. Zionism will become just another nasty footnote in the dustbin of History. And without Zionism, the relationship between Jews and Muslims throughout the world would improve dramatically.

[Josh]

Most countries in the middle east had substantial Jewish populations going back centuries or millennia.

Most Jews were forced out due to overt actions by Arab/Muslim governments in the 1940s and 1950s or just the fact that it was no longer safe for them to remain living within majority Muslim populations. Many lost all their property and wealth when they had to flee, mostly to Israel, the US, or to a lesser degree, Western Europe.

The Arab world in the 1940s and 1950s basically made it clear that they were not interested in maintaining multi-ethnic and multi-faith societies.

Do you know Why they chose to do that, then? What was the impetus or motivation then and not say, 50, 100, etc yrs earlier...?

100 years earlier, the Ottoman Empire ruled that part of the world.

In the 40s, 50s, and 60s, the Arab states decided to engage in total war against the new state of Israel. They lost.

They also generally decided to ally with the Soviets, which led to Israel allying with America in the 60s. Since the Soviets ultimately lost almost everything, this put the Arab states at a real disadvantage.

Some Arab states were truly multiethnic, religiously pluralistic, and multicultural. Syria still is. Iraq was before America decided to invade and destroy it. Iran still is too.

[Ken]

Most countries in the middle east had substantial Jewish populations going back centuries or millennia.

Most Jews were forced out due to overt actions by Arab/Muslim governments in the 1940s and 1950s or just the fact that it was no longer safe for them to remain living within majority Muslim populations. Many lost all their property and wealth when they had to flee, mostly to Israel, the US, or to a lesser degree, Western Europe.

The Arab world in the 1940s and 1950s basically made it clear that they were not interested in maintaining multi-ethnic and multi-faith societies.

Do you know Why they chose to do that, then? What was the impetus or motivation then and not say, 50, 100, etc yrs earlier...?

100 years earlier, the Ottoman Empire ruled that part of the world.

In the 40s, 50s, and 60s, the Arab states decided to engage in total war against the new state of Israel. They lost.

They also generally decided to ally with the Soviets, which led to Israel allying with America in the 60s. Since the Soviets ultimately lost almost everything, this put the Arab states at a real disadvantage.

Some Arab states were truly multiethnic, religiously pluralistic, and multicultural. Syria still is. Iraq was before America decided to invade and destroy it. Iran still is too.

The Ottoman Empire was one of the most multi-ethnic empires in history. There were literally hundreds of different ethnicities and religious groups living within the Ottoman Empire including the greater Palestine area which was home to Arabs, Jews, Christians, Druze, Kurds, and various Christian and Muslim sects.

This largely continued during the British Mandate although the British somewhat favored Arabs because they were seeking access to Saudi Arabian oil reserves and the Suez Canal. With the Brits it is always geopolitics and self interest.

When greater Palestine (The British Mandate) was partitioned in 1948, the bulk of the territory went into various Arab-dominated multi-ethnic states (Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon). The Arab world wasn't interested in an independent Palestinian State. Egypt claimed Gaza, Jordan claimed the West Bank, and Lebanon and Syria split the northern part. Only the small portion of land in the British Mandate where Jews were numerous was given over to Israel in the form of a Jewish-majority multi-ethnic state.

But the larger Arab world couldn't tolerate that and so launched what has become a 75-year long war to erase Israel from the map. And here we are today.

[Josh]

Syria and Iran are some of the most multicultural places you will find in the entire world.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Syria and Iran are some of the most multicultural places you will find in the entire world.

Syria in particular, and especially Aleppo. Sadly, it is mostly a ruin now.

[Judas Maccabeus]

America is going to build a floating port right next to the coast. What could possibly go wrong there?

[Josh]

America is going to build a floating port right next to the coast. What could possibly go wrong there?

So, there won’t be “boots on the ground” but we’re going to build a port, secure it, and run it.