Schools do have dress codes and expect students to follow them. Every school I have ever been associated with has a dress code and enforces it.
But they do it fairly and try to treat everyone equally.
Schools do have dress codes and expect students to follow them. Every school I have ever been associated with has a dress code and enforces it.
Even if they dress like a school shooter, tactical vests, gloves, helmet, AR-15?
That is banned at every school I have ever taught at.
Sorry if I am quoting the same post again, but I had also wanted to comment on dress codes in the Owasso public school.
Im not saying that people wore pants in the Bible, and maybe a lot of this would have been solved if people stuck with robes. That is still missing the point. i’m just going to have my wife write the rest of this, and then I’m bowing out.Ken wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:00 pmNo, you are missing my point. Pants aren't Biblical and neither are dresses or skirts. You are free to dress however you want, but it is inaccurate to claim it is in any way Biblical.Soloist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:58 amKen wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 11:51 am Nonsense
Women and girls wearing pants is not "cross dressing". Those are women's clothes, designed for women and sold at women's clothing stores. And if you are citing some Old Testament dictates about dress then you are being hypocritical because when those verses were written neither men nor women wore anything resembling the clothing of today. Not pants, shirts, and jackets. Nor skirts and blouses or dresses. Maybe you should go back to tunics, robes, and sandals if you want to dress Biblically. Since pants are now as much women's dress as men's.
In any event, the few trans kids I have ever seen in class aren't actually dressing in any way unusual. Boys aren't wearing dresses. They tend to dress pretty much the same as their peers. Jeans, t-shirts, hoodies, etc. Maybe with a little more flair with earrings, fingernail polish, and sometimes makeup. Perhaps hairstyles that are a bit different. But that is about it. And non-trans kids do the same thing. HS dress is pretty unisex in style and has been for decades. Girls may dress up for fancy events, but not to attend school.
Unless you want to actually mandate school uniforms, kids are going to wear what they want, within school dress codes. Which these days are usually unsex and mostly about keeping straight kids from showing too much skin.
You are missing my point entirely. We as a conservative Mennonite culture do not have women wearing pants and I was pointing out a culture that indirectly marginalizes men and accepts women doing the same thing.
And modern culture does not marginalize men. I don't know where people get that notion. Not in schools, not in sports or entertainment, not in politics or business. Not really anywhere.
Dress codes are a perennial battle in schools and always will be as long as hormones exist.Neto wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:55 pmSorry if I am quoting the same post again, but I had also wanted to comment on dress codes in the Owasso public school.
There was when I was there. Boys were to wear button shirts, with no more than the top button unfastened. Pants with belt loops, belt also required. (No shorts.) No pant legs tucked inside of boots. (Well, that one wasn't in the written code, but a classmate was expelled for three days for wearing his pant legs tucked inside his Apache moccasin boots.) Guys' hair had to be above the eye brows, over the ears, and off the collar.
Girls were to wear dresses, no pants, unless the temperature was extremely low. There was also a measurement above the knee, but I have no idea what it was - just that girls were sometimes sent home or expelled for infractions of this rule.
But the next year (after I graduated, 1974) some people moved in from out-of-state, or maybe that boy's family just came from Tulsa, and the parents sued the school over the dress code. (The public schools in Tulsa already didn't have dress codes when I was still a student there.) So that was the end of it, because lawyers jumped at a sure win deal like that - the over-all culture was changing. Lots of people had moved into Oklahoma from Northern states, and that trend increased in the rest of that decade. (This girl was part Indian, I think Choctaw, so her family were not 'Yankees'.)
By the way, the East Holmes HS was also sued (or threatened) over their dress code - quite a few years back already, over guys wearing ear rings.
The child deserves to feel safe at school, even if he can't bring is AR-15 with him. If a student does dress up as a school shooter, it means that the student is not feeling safe and that there needs to be some exploration about why they are feeling that way.
No, you aren’t a bit confused.Szdfan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:23 pmThe child deserves to feel safe at school, even if he can't bring is AR-15 with him. If a student does dress up as a school shooter, it means that the student is not feeling safe and that there needs to be some exploration about why they are feeling that way.
Also...are you comparing non-binary and trans kids to school shooters? I'm a bit confused by the comparison.
Considering how often school shooters are trans, there isn’t a need to do a comparison.Szdfan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:23 pmThe child deserves to feel safe at school, even if he can't bring is AR-15 with him. If a student does dress up as a school shooter, it means that the student is not feeling safe and that there needs to be some exploration about why they are feeling that way.
Also...are you comparing non-binary and trans kids to school shooters? I'm a bit confused by the comparison.