Ken wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 3:39 pm
JohnHurt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 2:46 pm
After the battle of Stalingrad, it was over for the Germans in WWII. That is when the Germans lost the war.
A war is lost when replacements cannot keep up with losses. It is just a matter of time.
The war was actually lost the previous winter when they failed to take Moscow in the winter of 1940 and failed to disrupt the allies in the Battle of the Atlantic. And also losing the Battle of El Alamein which prevented the Germans from cutting off the Mediterranean and Suez Canal. The Germans lost more tanks at El Alamein than they did at Stalingrad. German war strategy (in both WW1 and WW2) depended on the war being fast and short. Once both wars became protracted quagmires the end was inevitable.
After the Germans stalled out in Russia, the Atlantic, and North Africa it was simply a matter of time since the allies could keep a steady and uninterrupted supply of equipment and supplies flowing across the Atlantic to Great Britain and across the Pacific to the USSR.
In Ukraine, the question is who represents the Germans? Is it the Russians who are the invading force with few allies? Or is it the Ukrainians who are the defending force with lots of allies?
And what does winning even look like for Russia at this point? Just a solidification of the gains that they have made so far to date? That certainly wasn't their war aims at the start of the war. They thought they were going to quickly conquer Kyiv and take over the nation, just like the Germans thought they were going to quickly take Moscow and take over that nation. Both were HUGE miscalculations.
Thanks, Ken.
The original encirclement of Kiev was to bring Zelensky to the negotiating table. When that failed, and Boris Johnson killed the negotiations, the Russians pulled all of their troops back to a prepared position, which is where they are now.
One of the goals of the Russians is to not hurt their fellow Slavic brothers in Ukraine. It was only the democratically elected government of Ukraine that was overthrown by a violent coup started by the USA in 2014, and not the people of Ukraine. So the Russians are not at war with their brother Slavs.
If you notice, this latest Russian attack on the electrical infrastructure happened as the weather is warming. If it had happened in January, many Ukrainian civilians would have died.
Kiev and Moscow, this is where Russia was founded. They call Ukraine "Little Russia". Belarus is "White Russia." Kiev and Moscow in the founding of Russia are like Philadelphia and Boston in the founding of America. They are all brothers. Russia does not want to annihilate Ukraine.
It is bad enough that the USA, CIA and Soros NGOs overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine in 2014, but then they got the "actual Nazis created by Bandera" from WWII now called the "Azov Battalion" to start waging genocide against the Russian speaking population of Eastern Ukraine.
Why would they do that? To have your own Russian people attacked by Nazis from WWII, that had to make the Russians mad.
Why would they do that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
The Zelensky government plugged up the water line that sends fresh water to Crimea The Crimea has been part of Russia since the time of Catherine the Great. Crimea is dry. Denying water made the Crimea nearly unlivable.
Why would they do that?
Ukraine wants the Crimea "back", which has never belonged to Ukraine. They want to take away Russia's only warm water port, which is on the Black Sea.
Why would they do that?
It was the shelling of the unprotected Russian speaking villages in the Donbas by Ukrainian forces that started this war. Putin intervened to stop this shelling of the Russian people that live there. Why did Ukraine and the Azov Nazis shell the Russian speaking villages? Or should I say, why did the USA under Nuland and Blinken get the Zelensky government to shell the Russian villages? This did not happen under Trump.
If Russia wanted all of Ukraine for conquest, they could have blitzed the entire country in about 2 weeks. Instead, they pulled back to just protecting the Donbass and Luhansk - the Russian speaking sections of Ukraine that were being genocided by the USA led forces.
The Russians did not start this war. The USA did.
So here are my questions that no "Establishment Liberal" can answer:
1. Why does the United States under Nuland, Blinken, and OBiden want to wage a war against Russia?
2. Why is the United States encouraging the destruction of Ukraine, and the people of Ukraine, as some endless battlefield?
3. And why was there no "war in Ukraine" under Trump? Why is the Democratic Party solidly behind this war, but not Trump?
And here are my answers:
1. Russia is a Christian nation, and that is why the Democrats hate it. Russia is also an "ethno-state", secure in its own borders without millions of migrants streaming in, and they hate that too. The corrupt Democrats in the USA also want the vast mineral wealth (oil, gas, wood products, etc) that Russia has. Russia also has rejected Communism, and the current Democratic leadership of the USA hates that too.
2. When they take out Ukraine, they take out a large part of the world food supply. This goes along with banning natural gas to make chemical fertilizer. They are engineering a world-wide famine, and Ukraine's agriculture stands in the way, so Ukraine must be destroyed.
3. Trump was not under these "globalists" that attend the Council of Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, and attend Bohemian Grove. As Newt Gingrinch said, "Trump has never participated in their rituals, so he is not accepted among them." Trump would have cut a deal with Putin and made everyone richer. These Democrat globalist scum do not want that, they want America to be a poor third world nation, and Russia too.
If you want to see the future for your children and grandchildren, look at Communist China, which is the "globalist" model for the USA and the world. They have a Social Credit System in China, which will be enacted here once the Central Bank Digital currencies are accepted. The people that run the USA want a dystopian future for your children, where their every action will be monitored, and either rewarded or punished. The war in Ukraine is just a step towards that. They need to weaken all of us to implement their control plan.
The only people that fight for the USA in a "all volunteer" army are conservatives from rural areas. The only big city liberals that ever fight in a war are the ones that are drafted, or did not run away to Canada or dodge the draft like Bill Clinton.
If they can start this war in Ukraine and kill a lot of our volunteer troops, they can get rid of a lot of conservative young men, and that helps win elections and changes the soul of this country for the worse. That is the other half of why they want this war.
I know we don't agree on this, but I always appreciate your answers.
John
"He replaced the teachings of Christ with his own opinions, and gave us a religion based on the doctrines of men."