Kyle Rittenhouse Trial

[Haystack]

Many a farmer and rancher had to use a weapon to defend themselves over the years from human and vermin.

Agreed, there are many groups such as PETA that like to target farmers. They've been know to steal animals, burn down barns/homes, and cause all kinds of ruckus.

[DISCLAIMER] This being “Menno” net and all…I thought it might be helpful at this point to remind the listening audience that Anabaptism has, from it’s beginning, rejected the “use of the sword” as contrary to the will and way of Christ.

The views in this thread do not necessarily represent historic or theological Anabaptism.

Thank you.

We're talking about farmers and ranchers here, not just Mennonite farmers and ranchers. Just because Mennonites wouldn't "use the sword", that doesn't mean the general public doesn't have the right to self defense.

[Robert]

I've participated in neighborhood watches. Around here the local police come out and help organize them and provide training, guidelines, and instructions for reporting crimes.

This fits within the definition you posted. As I said, I felt that definition was not accurate and too broad. This supports my statement. Thank you.

I lived 10 years in rural Texas nowhere near any Menno bubbles. Everyone had guns including us. I didn't know any vigilantes. In rare instances that there was crime you called the Sheriff, same as anyplace else.

You called the Sheriff when a rattlesnake or coyote showed up?

I know many a rural Texan that would have their gun very handy when someone would drive up their drive. I never did because I lived in town, but had many friends who did not. The further out, the more you needed to have tools to deal with whatever would come up until law enforcement which was often 30 minutes away to get there.

We had someone harassing us when we lived int he country in Texas. The Sheriff Deputy told me to get a gun and make sure the body fell into the house not outside the house. We moved out of state instead.

I think you are confusing John Wayne movies with real life. What percentage of farmers in this country do you think have had gun battles with criminals? I bet the percentage is astronomically small.

When criminals know most houses are armed and experienced with use of weapons along with dogs to help protect, they do't even try. They move on to easier targets. I know several who have had issues and once it was found they could and would defend themselves, the intimidators moved on.

I am not saying I would do these things, but I know many who would. They know the Sheriff will not be there quickly and the Sheriff's Department knows that too. This is why we have laws for self defense and the 2nd Amendment exists. It gives citizens the right to defend themselves.

[ragpicker]

People who are outraged at what Kyle Rittenhouse did, but who are not outraged at all other violence including the violence being done by other actors in that city that night, don't really seem sincere in my opinion.

That covers the vast majority of the outrage. Maybe all of it.

Even on this thread, there’s a person or two who are ever so concerned about Kyle, but have a history of being weasely when it comes to condemning the rioters

[Falco Underhill]

People who are outraged at what Kyle Rittenhouse did, but who are not outraged at all other violence including the violence being done by other actors in that city that night, don't really seem sincere in my opinion.

That covers the vast majority of the outrage. Maybe all of it.

Even on this thread, there’s a person or two who are ever so concerned about Kyle, but have a history of being weasely when it comes to condemning the rioters

The left-wing condemnation of Rittenhouse as a vigilante is ironic considering they seem to love vigilantism when it's done by BLM or antifa members.

Rittenhouse gets condemned by Joe Biden as a "white supremacist" though in fact all involved were white. The charge of white supremacy here can only be based on the socialist notion of "systemic racism" pushed by CRT and the liberals (even on this forum).

Yet, when antifa caused violence throughout the country, Biden refused to acknowledge they even existed, calling them “an idea, not an organization.” (Notice the same was said about CRT on this forum?) The media called the riots "mostly peaceful protests" even as buildings and cars burned in the background. Gaslighting.

Only left wing vigilantism gets to be labelled "heroic" and "fighting back against injustice" by liberals and the media. Either that or it simply goes unacknowledged. The hypocrisy here is glaring.

[JimFoxvog]

The media called the riots "mostly peaceful protests" even as buildings and cars burned in the background. Gaslighting.

Could the media you've been looking at be right-wing media misrepresenting mainstream media?

The protests, by far, were mostly peaceful. A small percentage of protests had violent folks show up, usually at the end of the planned demonstration, and burn buildings and cars. To use this to discredit the large, large, majority of peaceful protestors is politically motivated misdirection.

[Josh]

One of the goals of the left is to make self-defence criminal if a right-wing person does it (simultaneously, they want anything a left-wing person does, including violent acts, not to be prosecuted).

[Falco Underhill]

The media called the riots "mostly peaceful protests" even as buildings and cars burned in the background. Gaslighting.

Could the media you've been looking at be right-wing media misrepresenting mainstream media?

The protests, by far, were mostly peaceful. A small percentage of protests had violent folks show up, usually at the end of the planned demonstration, and burn buildings and cars. To use this to discredit the large, large, majority of peaceful protestors is politically motivated misdirection.

Violence is always committed by a small avant-garde.

The point was the media distraction from the vigilantism by pointing to "the mostly peaceful protests" and sometimes their refusal to even acknowledge the existence of those who perpetrated the violence. As in the examples of the CNN clip talking about "mostly peaceful protests" even as the cars and buildings burned in the background and Biden's refusal to acknowledge the existence of antifa. There was a disconnect from reality there.

[GaryK]

[ragpicker]

The media called the riots "mostly peaceful protests" even as buildings and cars burned in the background. Gaslighting.

Could the media you've been looking at be right-wing media misrepresenting mainstream media?

The protests, by far, were mostly peaceful. A small percentage of protests had violent folks show up, usually at the end of the planned demonstration, and burn buildings and cars. To use this to discredit the large, large, majority of peaceful protestors is politically motivated misdirection.

I got most of my information from first-hand reports of people who were on the ground observing the violence. One of those people reporting to me was my close friend.

What compels you to consistently defend evil by tamping it down?

[nett]

Tonight the VP criticized the verdict as a failure of the justice system.

Which is ironic because as a DA, she worked pretty hard to make sure black people stayed in jail for minor crimes.