You defend critical theory being taught in schools, but refuse to have a discussion about class based inequality without screaming "RACISM!!!!"
Sometimes I wonder if Ken is actually just a very masterful troll.
You defend critical theory being taught in schools, but refuse to have a discussion about class based inequality without screaming "RACISM!!!!"
I don't want anything, Ken. I merely asked for your opinion and you stated it, case closed. To me it represents that racism has no color and it's not a one sided issue, like many of your posts seem to indicate. I agree with you there are a lot of racist people that behave badly, not news at all, but again it comes from people of all backgrounds. The hate won't stop until we as a society quit pointing fingers and blaming others for things that they didn't do.Ken wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:07 pmI'm not sure what you expect me to say. The black students were wrong to respond to the provocation the way that they did. They were apparently disciplined. What more do you want? Students do stupid stuff every single day on every campus and in every school in the country. None of it reflects any sort of law or policy. Hopefully this was a learning experience for all involved.Haystack wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:39 pmIf these areas are open to all then why was it a issue for these students being there? A sticker or shirt whether you agree with it or not shouldn't be reasons to be excluded from a public space. It doesn't matter if the school says it's open for everyone, if the students who organized the area are saying they can't be there then that sounds like the area wasn't created with the intent of inclusion for all. If someone showed up to a CM church with a everyone welcome sign wearing a planned parenthood shirt, would they be kicked out? Talk to them, share your opinion, listen to them, maybe find some common ground, and leave them with something to think about. Maybe they will see things from your prospective and change their ways, maybe not. There's ways to handle certain situations and if you watch the full video of what happened at ASU I think you might agree that it was handled very poorly.
I'm not sure what you think your "video evidence" actually represents. There are tens of thousands of videos of people behaving badly on YouTube and TikTok. The majority of them are of white people being racists or jerks. And most are adults not students. What does it all mean? That we have lots of intolerant people in our society I suspect. Which shouldn't be news to anyone.
Because it doesn't actually work like that in real life. And these very same attitudes that you are expressing are what drives systemic racism in this country. I will give you just one very specific visual example. I used to live in Waco TX. The school district boundary lines in Waco were very gerrymandered not only to segregate white and black communities for the same stated reasons that you just listed. But also to hoard economic resources into the white districts and deprive the black districts of the same.Josh wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:23 pmNo, I pointed out why some people don't want to go to school with drug dealers and with people whose families don't value education. That seems pretty reasonable to me. You seem to be arguing that it's "racist" to feel that way.Ken wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:30 pmThis is a thread about race and how we understand our shared history. I'm not sure why you are even here if you don't want to talk about race.
I'm simply pointing out that the arguments used to support every form of racism and racial segregation in this country have always been class-based or about economics and rarely actually about race. Feel free to roll back the clock and examine why people opposed school desegregation in the 1960s. They said all the exact same things you are saying. As a Christian that should make you uncomfortable.
Schools got desegregated a long time ago. People of any race can basically move wherever they want, except for limitations based on wealth / class.
I am questioning why you don't think people should have the basic freedom to decide they don't want to associate with families whose lives consist of crime, drug dealing, and domestic violence. I think that's a pretty reasonable thing for some people to choose.
I am not denying that systemic racism happens.The science facilities, and other academic resources are similarly disparate, but it is harder to find comparative photos of those. And yes, athletics is not everything. The contrast is simply to show the different levels of resources that different school districts have at their disposal, largely along both class and racial lines. This is the very textbook definition of "systemic racism".
I don't know anything about what is going on in Lancaster County. But district comparisons can be deceiving. Old buildings are often much more expensive to maintain than new ones, especially if there is lots of deferred maintenance. And utility costs can be higher as well. Salary schedules may be different. Poorer districts often have a lot more special ed costs which are much higher due to the much lower student-teacher ratios. That happens when charter schools bleed off lots of able bodied students leaving the special ed students behind in the public schools. Which commonly happens.Grace wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:02 pmI am not denying that systemic racism happens.The science facilities, and other academic resources are similarly disparate, but it is harder to find comparative photos of those. And yes, athletics is not everything. The contrast is simply to show the different levels of resources that different school districts have at their disposal, largely along both class and racial lines. This is the very textbook definition of "systemic racism".
But here in Lancaster County, the cost to educate black and minority children is higher than the cost to educate predominately white children. Is that part of the systemic racism as well?
Ken wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:21 pm The science facilities, and other academic resources are similarly disparate, but it is harder to find comparative photos of those. And yes, athletics is not everything. The contrast is simply to show the different levels of resources that different school districts have at their disposal, largely along both class and racial lines. This is the very textbook definition of "systemic racism".
Oh, they have. In both Texas and here in Washington. Not to the US Supreme Court, but to the state supreme courts. In Texas the supreme court agreed that the funding system was hugely inequitable and horrible but still constitutional. In Washington the courts ruled the opposite.Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:56 pmKen wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:21 pm The science facilities, and other academic resources are similarly disparate, but it is harder to find comparative photos of those. And yes, athletics is not everything. The contrast is simply to show the different levels of resources that different school districts have at their disposal, largely along both class and racial lines. This is the very textbook definition of "systemic racism".
It looks like a genuine problem you've got there. So where the heck are the Civil Rights lawyers taking this thing to the U.S. Supreme Court to have the districts drawn more fairly?
And here in Washington State a similar case reached the opposite result. https://www.nwpb.org/2018/06/15/mcclear ... ing-fight/The Texas Supreme Court ruled unanimously on Friday that although the state’s “Byzantine” school funding system is “ossified” and urgently needs to be modernized, it is constitutional — a defeat for more than 600 school districts that had been fighting for years for relief.
It was the sixth significant legal battle fought in the state about how public schools should be funded since 1984, and only the second time that the high court ruled that the complicated finance system was not unconstitutional.
So you're complicit in perpetuating the systemic racial inequalities?
Yes, to the extent that I worked in and participated in a grossly unequal system. Sure. I did student teach and intern in a poorer district but got hired in a wealthier one that was much closer to home and where my kids attended. I actually have science classroom photos of both schools. I’ll see if I can find them. The difference is pretty dramatic.ohio jones wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:29 pmSo you're complicit in perpetuating the systemic racial inequalities?