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Ken wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:59 am
Josh wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:34 am And lots of cheeses are not aged hard cheeses, like brie. Which they consume in complete safety in Europe, yet are banned here.
Actually, Europe experiences thousands of cases of listeria per year, many of them severe causing hospitalization or death.
Not complete safety.

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2023/12/ ... e-in-2022/
Listeria infections have hit record levels in Europe while Salmonella and E. coli cases also went up in 2022, according to the latest figures.

Data comes from the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) and European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) 2022 One Health Zoonoses report.

The most deaths were associated with listeriosis at 286, with 81 linked to salmonellosis.
Listeria infections caused 1,330 hospitalizations, and cases increased from 2,365 in 2021. It was the biggest number reported since the beginning of EU-level surveillance in 2007.

Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Spain, Slovenia, and Belgium had the highest notification rates. Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Greece, Malta, and Romania reported the lowest. Germany had the most patients, with 548.

Czech Republic had 48 cases in 2022 versus 24 in 2021, and Slovakia’s went up to 25 from 13. In Italy, cases increased by 115; in Spain, they increased by 82. Twelve travel-associated infections were reported outside the EU, including in the United Kingdom, the United States, and South Africa.

Deaths increased by 100 from 186 in 2021. France had the most fatal cases with 73, followed by 67 in Spain, 33 in Germany, and 22 in Poland.
Compared to the millions of people in EU, the amount of cases, hospitalizations and deaths is not a lot, but how many deaths are acceptable when considering the risk?
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Wow, I haven't followed this thread at all but just noticed it has 411,547 views. Is that a record ?
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Szdfan wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:55 pm
Ken wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:59 am
Josh wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:34 am And lots of cheeses are not aged hard cheeses, like brie. Which they consume in complete safety in Europe, yet are banned here.
Actually, Europe experiences thousands of cases of listeria per year, many of them severe causing hospitalization or death.
Not complete safety.

https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2023/12/ ... e-in-2022/
Listeria infections have hit record levels in Europe while Salmonella and E. coli cases also went up in 2022, according to the latest figures.

Data comes from the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) and European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) 2022 One Health Zoonoses report.

The most deaths were associated with listeriosis at 286, with 81 linked to salmonellosis.
Listeria infections caused 1,330 hospitalizations, and cases increased from 2,365 in 2021. It was the biggest number reported since the beginning of EU-level surveillance in 2007.

Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Spain, Slovenia, and Belgium had the highest notification rates. Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Greece, Malta, and Romania reported the lowest. Germany had the most patients, with 548.

Czech Republic had 48 cases in 2022 versus 24 in 2021, and Slovakia’s went up to 25 from 13. In Italy, cases increased by 115; in Spain, they increased by 82. Twelve travel-associated infections were reported outside the EU, including in the United Kingdom, the United States, and South Africa.

Deaths increased by 100 from 186 in 2021. France had the most fatal cases with 73, followed by 67 in Spain, 33 in Germany, and 22 in Poland.
Compared to the millions of people in EU, the amount of cases, hospitalizations and deaths is not a lot, but how many deaths are acceptable when considering the risk?
Is there proof that any of these cases were caused by people eating fresh cheese?
And considering that eating fresh cheese and drinking raw milk might actually improve the health of some people, is it worth the health risk to those people to ban fresh cheese?
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ken_sylvania wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:11 pmIs there proof that any of these cases were caused by people eating fresh cheese?
And considering that eating fresh cheese and drinking raw milk might actually improve the health of some people, is it worth the health risk to those people to ban fresh cheese?
Both cheese and milk are packed with saturated fats.

Now matter how hard you squint, neither cheese nor milk can be considered health foods that are going to improve the health of anyone unless perhaps they are extremely malnourished and just need protein and calories. Whether we are talking about pasteurized or unpasteurized cheese and milk.
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Ken wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:51 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:43 pm
Judas Maccabeus wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:16 pm

Shipping FedEx with dry ice is a pain. Requires dangerous goods training. Special vented packaging that is also insulated. Proper labeling, preparing a declaration and proper packaging. If you mess up, they will send it back to you. Second mess up, they embargo you, and not allow you to use their system. They can get the FAA involved. They do not kid around.

Than again, he might be shipping it unrefrigerated.........I could just imagine the coliform count from that.
Just calculated the shipping charge. A gallon of milk, FedEx overnight first A.M with the dangerous goods fee for the dry ice would take you somewhere over 90 dollars. If you ship a lot you may be able to negotiate a lower rate, but wow! Do people want it that badly?
Cheaper just to buy yourself a milking goat and put it in the back yard.
Goat milk is naturally homogenized, and great for lactose intolerance. I understand infants can drink goat milk because they can not handle the lactose of cow's milk. The picture you see in my avatar are the two milk goats we had in our moveable geodesic dome. Goat milk makes great ice cream since it is naturally homogenized. It sells for several dollars a quart. We raised Saanens. But goat's milk does not produce cream.

So we get raw cow's milk from a neighbor because it is not naturally homogenized. The cream in cow's milk comes to the top, and you can churn the cream, or even beat it with a spoon to make your own butter.

Pasteurized milk has been cooked until it is dead. It is lacking the "life" that raw milk has. The homogenization process is not healthy too.

Milk today is like drinking white chalky water and claiming it is milk. There are a lot of living things in raw milk that go into your gut and make you healthy, that is lacking in commercial milk. Pasteurized and homogenized milk is all about extending shelf life, it is not about making milk healthy.

With pasteurized milk, there can be quite a bit of contaminants, like feces particles in the milk, but because it has been cooked to death, it won't go bad, but the contaminants are still there. Raw milk has to be absolutely perfect and clean to exist more than a few days without spoiling. So you are getting a much purer milk product from raw milk than commercial pasteurized milk.

People are paying a lot of money in various states to buy Miller's products for health reasons. If you watched the first video I put up by "The Shepherdess" on the Miller case, she interviewed the people outside the courthouse as to why they supported Miller. It was primarily for health reasons. They need his food to live.
Hippocrates: 'Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.'
If you want to make money as a farmer, grow healthy food and sell it locally. I sell St. Croix sheep that have never been wormed or vaccinated, and they are 100% grass fed, no chemicals have ever given to the animal. And I can sell them for twice the amount to my friends (my own verbal PMA without paperwork) than I can to a commercial processor.

A commercial processor only cares about how much the animal weighs, and will pay you by the pound. You can raise an animal entirely on pellets, or cheap synthetic additives. There is a feed lot in Kansas City that was taking all of the dough and by-products from a large Pizza factory and dumping into the feed lot to make the cows weigh more for slaughter. The cows would balloon up and could barely walk, but they weighed more and so they brought more money. That is why steak you buy in a store tastes like garbage compared to the steak in a good steak house that buys directly from a farmer.

Remember that the "mad cow" disease was caused by the food industry by grinding up dead cows and making pellets out of them, and then feeding them back to the living cows. A prion, or crystal, that was in the old dead cows gave the living cows the "mad cow disease. All because they turned dead cows into pellets to save money by "recycling".

This is the same problem with all of the meat, and with the milk you buy at the store. Commercial milk processors are not at all interested in your health, they are focused on making money by supplying the cheapest milk products possible. Increasing shelf life by pastuerization/homogenization is the number one way to make cheap milk, plus feeding the milk cows pellets and other garbage. This is why so many people are sick that eat food from a grocery store.

So yes, people are paying a lot of money to have raw milk shipped across state lines, and they have a very good reason. They can either pay now for raw milk, or pay later to the doctor when they are sick.

And if you are a small farmer and want to double your income, raise the animals so that they are healthy, and not just overfed and sick. And if you raise healthy animals that can give real raw milk,then try it yourself and see the difference in flavor.

God gave us taste buds for a reason, to tell what was wholesome to eat and drink, and what should be avoided. Pasteurized milk has no flavor, and your body is trying to tell you something.
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Ken wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:17 pm
ken_sylvania wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:11 pmIs there proof that any of these cases were caused by people eating fresh cheese?
And considering that eating fresh cheese and drinking raw milk might actually improve the health of some people, is it worth the health risk to those people to ban fresh cheese?
Both cheese and milk are packed with saturated fats.

Now matter how hard you squint, neither cheese nor milk can be considered health foods that are going to improve the health of anyone unless perhaps they are extremely malnourished and just need protein and calories. Whether we are talking about pasteurized or unpasteurized cheese and milk.
Considering every mammal lives on solely milk for a while when it enters the world, I would hesitate to say milk is “unhealthy”.
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Josh wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:23 pm
Ken wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:17 pm
ken_sylvania wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:11 pmIs there proof that any of these cases were caused by people eating fresh cheese?
And considering that eating fresh cheese and drinking raw milk might actually improve the health of some people, is it worth the health risk to those people to ban fresh cheese?
Both cheese and milk are packed with saturated fats.

Now matter how hard you squint, neither cheese nor milk can be considered health foods that are going to improve the health of anyone unless perhaps they are extremely malnourished and just need protein and calories. Whether we are talking about pasteurized or unpasteurized cheese and milk.
Considering every mammal lives on solely milk for a while when it enters the world, I would hesitate to say milk is “unhealthy”.
That is true for babies. Adults not so much.
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Ken wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:17 pm
ken_sylvania wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:11 pmIs there proof that any of these cases were caused by people eating fresh cheese?
And considering that eating fresh cheese and drinking raw milk might actually improve the health of some people, is it worth the health risk to those people to ban fresh cheese?
Both cheese and milk are packed with saturated fats.

Now matter how hard you squint, neither cheese nor milk can be considered health foods that are going to improve the health of anyone unless perhaps they are extremely malnourished and just need protein and calories. Whether we are talking about pasteurized or unpasteurized cheese and milk.
I should probably let the absurdity of your comment speak for itself.
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If he's still got raw milk that's been in storage since that raid it's well past time to destroy it.
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