Trans student killed in school

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It seems to me outrage issues cycle faster than they once did. Roe was enough to build a political movement on for decades but CRT has already faded. Now we are on to gender ideology but that won't last too long, keep an eye out for the next issue.
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barnhart wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:00 pm It seems to me outrage issues cycle faster than they once did. Roe was enough to build a political movement on for decades but CRT has already faded. Now we are on to gender ideology but that won't last too long, keep an eye out for the next issue.
On the left the current outrage seems to be at a fever pitch about Gaza. And the level of hyperbole is concerning.

On the right I don't have the slightest idea what the next subject will be. Probably immigration or crime. Those are the old standbys. The closer we get to the 2024 election the more we are going to start hearing stories about migrant caravans invading our southern border. Or gangs of shoplifters or something. It is a typical pattern. And it will mostly vanish back down to normal levels after the election.
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Ken wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:11 pm
barnhart wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:00 pm It seems to me outrage issues cycle faster than they once did. Roe was enough to build a political movement on for decades but CRT has already faded. Now we are on to gender ideology but that won't last too long, keep an eye out for the next issue.
On the left the current outrage seems to be at a fever pitch about Gaza. And the level of hyperbole is concerning.

On the right I don't have the slightest idea what the next subject will be. Probably immigration or crime. Those are the old standbys. The closer we get to the 2024 election the more we are going to start hearing stories about migrant caravans invading our southern border. Or gangs of shoplifters or something. It is a typical pattern. And it will mostly vanish back down to normal levels after the election.
The amount of concern about crime and gangs probably isn't due to the election but due to the rather shocking levels of shoplifting (and countermeasures), store closures, carjackings, and so forth.

It isn't my imagination that San Francisco isn't a fun place to visit like it used to be, and I didn't gain that opinion from reading political coverage.
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Josh wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:42 am
Ken wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:11 pm
barnhart wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:00 pm It seems to me outrage issues cycle faster than they once did. Roe was enough to build a political movement on for decades but CRT has already faded. Now we are on to gender ideology but that won't last too long, keep an eye out for the next issue.
On the left the current outrage seems to be at a fever pitch about Gaza. And the level of hyperbole is concerning.

On the right I don't have the slightest idea what the next subject will be. Probably immigration or crime. Those are the old standbys. The closer we get to the 2024 election the more we are going to start hearing stories about migrant caravans invading our southern border. Or gangs of shoplifters or something. It is a typical pattern. And it will mostly vanish back down to normal levels after the election.
The amount of concern about crime and gangs probably isn't due to the election but due to the rather shocking levels of shoplifting (and countermeasures), store closures, carjackings, and so forth.

It isn't my imagination that San Francisco isn't a fun place to visit like it used to be, and I didn't gain that opinion from reading political coverage.
Except that we have since discovered that the brick and mortar retail industry has mostly been lying about the level of shoplifting to deflect from their many poor management decisions and poor performance. And the media fell for it hook line and sinker: https://ritholtz.com/2023/12/retail-lob ... zed-theft/

Shoplifting is actually down in San Francisco over the past 4 years and in most other cities but you would never know that watching Fox News would you? New York and Los Angeles have seen increases but the vast majority of cities have seen substantial decreases in shoplifting as well as other types of violent and property crime since the pandemic. The one major exception being auto thefts in some cities. https://counciloncj.org/shoplifting-tre ... d-to-know/

But just watch. Fox News will be screaming at a fever pitch about crime this fall in the run up to the election and then go mysteriously silent on the subject after the election. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... -elections This is what it looks like on a graph for the last midterms. What happened the first week of November, 2022 to make crime vanish? Any ideas? Did we have a sudden crime wave in the fall of 2022 that mysteriously vanished?

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Judas Maccabeus wrote: Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:17 am https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-st ... nt=rundown

This person appears to have started the fracas and is alert and oriented X3. You have to dig to find this.

i read a report that included a police cam video of Nex B in a hospital bed, she appeared and sounded calm and rational, she described the incident, the girls didn’t know each other, Nex described how she threw water at the girls, then the scuffle began. She described the others as younger students, and, again, they didn’t know each other. Different grades.

i believe it was a CNN report?? not sure, i won’t link the report, THE VIDEO HAS BEEN REMOVED.
i think the video has been removed from JM’s AP report, too.
[the child is deceased. it should not be aired.] i do not follow CNN.

some quotes:
CNN —
Body camera video released by police in Oklahoma shows a teenager and their guardian speaking with an officer about a fight at a high school, giving more insight into a reported altercation that preceded the 10th grader’s death.

Nex Benedict, whose family and friends say identified as nonbinary, died February 8, a day after they told their family they were involved in a fight with others at Owasso High School.

It is not clear if or how the fight contributed to Nex’s death. Their cause of death has yet to be determined, but an early autopsy finding Wednesday showed they did not die as a result of trauma, according to police. Toxicology results and other test results are pending, authorities added.
The Owasso Police Department on Friday night released 911 calls, body camera footage and surveillance video from the incident that has LGBTQ+ advocates seeking answers.

Body camera video from February 7 shows an Owasso police officer interacting with Nex and their guardian, Sue Benedict, in a hospital after the fight in a school bathroom between two groups of students.

Nex tells the officer they didn’t know the other girls – “I don’t know their names, I don’t know them,” – but the girls had ridiculed the way they dressed before. Sue Benedict says in the prior week, she had counseled Nex to just ignore the three girls. Nex says they didn’t see the point of reporting the previous verbal abuse to school officials.

Nex says the day of the fight, they went to the bathroom “and I was talking with my friends, they were talking with their friends and we were laughing. And they had said something like, ‘Why do they laugh like that?’ And they were talking about us in front of us.”

In response to those comments, Nex tells the officer they poured water from their water bottle on the students and that’s when things escalated. They came at Nex and grabbed at their hair, Nex says. Nex was then able to grab one of the girls and threw her into a paper towel dispenser, they say. Nex eventually got thrown onto the ground and the other students proceeded to beat them up, Nex says in the video.

“They got my legs out from under me and got me on the ground and started beating the sh*t out of me,” Nex says.

One of Nex’s friends tried to help, but Nex blacked out and isn’t sure what happened, they say.

The officer then advises Nex and Sue Benedict that the courts could view throwing liquid on someone as assault and as the action that started the altercation.

Eventually the Benedicts decide not to seek charges.

The physical altercation was broken up by students and a faculty member, police have said. All students walked to the assistant principal’s office and the nurse’s office, police said, adding the investigation is ongoing. .. ..


The report ends with:
.. Nex’s death comes amid sharp criticism by LGBTQ+ advocates of Oklahoma officials for actions perceived as targeting LGBTQ+ residents.

The state legislature passed a “bathroom bill” in 2022 requiring all preK-12 schools to require students use the restroom and locker rooms of the sex designated on their birth certificates. Last year, Gov. Kevin Stitt issued an executive order requiring government agencies to identify people exclusively by narrow definitions of “male” and “female.”

Nationwide, at least 510 anti-LGBTQ bills were introduced in state legislatures last year — a record, according to American Civil Liberties Union data.

Unfortunately for Nex and (all students everywhere) there can be no childhood, no spats or squabbles, there are powerful organized political law-savvy forces ready+waiting for cases to exploit. They rush to social media and the press to immediately exploit without facts, it’s all about them, political power, access to the public treasury, etc. Nex (and others) are “so much grist for the political mill.”

Thankfully, Jesus sees Nex for what she is: His child.

i think of Matthew Shepard.
they got so much political+legal mileage out of him.
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Nex funeral was yesterday. I’m told hundreds attended, and while little was said about the afterlife, much was said against certain people who hate LGBTQ etc.
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RZehr wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:14 am Nex funeral was yesterday. I’m told hundreds attended, and while little was said about the afterlife, much was said against certain people who hate LGBTQ etc.
Well, "hate" is accurate. Just last week an Oklahoma state senator called LGBT students "filth" and said they don't want them in Oklahoma. That certainly sounds like hate to me: https://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/new ... c3730.html
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I think it’s filthy for men to dress up as women. Does that mean I’m “hating”?
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Ken wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:59 pm
RZehr wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:14 am Nex funeral was yesterday. I’m told hundreds attended, and while little was said about the afterlife, much was said against certain people who hate LGBTQ etc.
Well, "hate" is accurate. Just last week an Oklahoma state senator called LGBT students "filth" and said they don't want them in Oklahoma. That certainly sounds like hate to me: https://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/new ... c3730.html
I see that the link mentions State Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters. He was especially singled out at the funeral for his hate. I don't know exactly what hateful thing he is purported to have said. But the crowd predicably hates him right back. I'm told that if what Ryan Walters reportedly said was true, then it was indeed very hateful and "Nazi" of him. I'm told this by someone who was there, someone who is very much opposed to this sort of modern deviancy, but horrified and saddened about the tragedy.
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RZehr wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:10 pmI see that the link mentions State Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters. He was especially singled out at the funeral for his hate. I don't know exactly what hateful thing he is purported to have said. But the crowd predicably hates him right back. I'm told that if what Ryan Walters reportedly said was true, then it was indeed very hateful and "Nazi" of him. I'm told this by someone who was there, someone who is very much opposed to this sort of modern deviancy, but horrified and saddened about the tragedy.
It didn't take me long to find this list:
Walters’ record includes:

– Released inaccurate and inflammatory video from the state education department falsely describing transgender students as a threat in schools. https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/educa ... 56e32.html

—Led the Oklahoma State Board of Education in approving a permanent rule change that prohibits school districts and local schools from altering sex or gender designations in student records without the board’s authorization and regardless of the will of the student or the consent of the student’s guardians. A lawsuit is pending in federal court. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/ed ... 357415007/

—Advocates for book bans, including at this week’s board hearing, falsely describing LGBTQ-inclusive books as “pornographic” and that they “push transgenderism,” https://tulsaworld.com/video/news/oklah ... ee93e.html

—Appointed Chaya Raichik, the founder of anti-LGBTQ social media account Libs of TikTok, to a state Library Media Advisory Committee. Raichik’s account posts disinformation about LGBTQ people and allies, and some posts have reportedly preceded dozens of bomb threats to schools in Oklahoma as well as libraries and children’s hospitals nationwide. Raichick is not an educator, is not an Oklahoma resident, and does not have children in Oklahoma schools. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/l ... rcna102784

—Pinned to his Twitter/X profile is a promo for his interview with the president of The Heritage Foundation, a longstanding anti-LGBTQ national organization that continues to advocate against marriage equality, acceptance of transgender people, and has promised continued targeting of LGBTQ Americans and youth in public education. https://twitter.com/RyanWaltersSupt/sta ... 3535549726

—Repeated the debunked lie about “litter boxes” in schools. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ryan-wal ... 5cb64e28ae

—Sent a memo to textbook publishers saying he will reject any books if they contain definitions or terms contrary to Gov. Kevin Stitt’s executive order “Women’s Bill of Rights.” The definitions in the governor’s order exclude transgender, nonbinary, or intersex people. https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-r ... s/45777017

— Had Oklahoma taxpayers fund travel expenses for speaking engagements and media appearances with anti-LGBTQ groups Moms for Liberty and Heritage Foundation, as well as a premiere for an anti-abortion horror movie. According to The Frontier, Walters expensed the trips despite an order from the Governor’s office banning public spending for most out-of-state travel. Walters also reimbursed expenses for meetings with bookers from Fox News in Washington, DC, and for media appearances on talk shows affiliated with the conspiracy-fueled Epoch Times.https://www.readfrontier.org/stories/ok ... -premiere/
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