Poll: Putin and Ukraine

[Josh]

Honestly, the port and buffer against NATO seem like the only legitimate claims from a secular perspective. We can argue all day over what NATO was intending but I listened to his speech on weapons and it was a fairly logical case for invasion.
De-nazification? Yeah right…

To be fair, Ukraine has openly tolerated a variety of extremist neo-Nazi groups and militias.

[Ken]

Honestly, the port and buffer against NATO seem like the only legitimate claims from a secular perspective. We can argue all day over what NATO was intending but I listened to his speech on weapons and it was a fairly logical case for invasion.
De-nazification? Yeah right…

To be fair, Ukraine has openly tolerated a variety of extremist neo-Nazi groups and militias.

As has every single nation on earth that has any semblance of freedom of speech and freedom of association. Including the US, Russia, France, UK, Hungary, Germany, etc. Objectively speaking there are more extremist groups in both the US and Russia than in Ukraine. In the 2019 election, the coalition of far-right extremist parties in Ukraine earned a whopping 1.6% of the vote. In other words they are trivial.

Here in the US we have a wide variety of right-wing extremist groups and militias from the Proud Boys, KKK, Oathkeepers, and sovereign citizen movement to the Patriot Front. Should WE stop openly tolerating them and start throwing them all in prison? Or is that only something you expect of Ukraine?

[Soloist]

Honestly, the port and buffer against NATO seem like the only legitimate claims from a secular perspective. We can argue all day over what NATO was intending but I listened to his speech on weapons and it was a fairly logical case for invasion.
De-nazification? Yeah right…

To be fair, Ukraine has openly tolerated a variety of extremist neo-Nazi groups and militias.

As has every single nation on earth that has any semblance of freedom of speech and freedom of association. Including the US, Russia, France, UK, Hungary, Germany, etc. Objectively speaking there are more extremist groups in both the US and Russia than in Ukraine. In the 2019 election, the coalition of far-right extremist parties in Ukraine earned a whopping 1.6% of the vote. In other words they are trivial.

Here in the US we have a wide variety of right-wing extremist groups and militias from the Proud Boys, KKK, Oathkeepers, and sovereign citizen movement to the Patriot Front. Should WE stop openly tolerating them and start throwing them all in prison? Or is that only something you expect of Ukraine?

No, we can wait for Canada or Mexico to invade us first

[Josh]

The U.S. military doesn't have a paramilitary wing composed of Neo-Nazi militias.