Coronavirus Outbreak

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mike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:46 pm
GaryK wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:35 pm
Is The Worst Over? Modelers Predict A Steady Decline In COVID Cases Through March
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... ium=social
The curve does look to be headed down again.

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It's really simple. I've seen it here. As more people become vaccinated - less and less of those people get tested when they are sick. The stats tell us nothing about the actual number of infections. And as you believe this stuff it automatically makes people think the vaccine is working, when it is just more to do with the reaction to sickness in vaccinated or unvaccinated people you are seeing.
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Note that vaccinated people have a different test that's less sensitive than unvaccinated people... and vaccinated people are told not to get tested unless they have a lot of symptoms. Whereas unvaccinated people are told to get tests even if they're asymptomatic.

The goal posts are constantly moving and everything is being blamed on the unvaccinated as if they are somehow the enemy of mankind.
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Wade wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:55 pm It's really simple. I've seen it here. As more people become vaccinated - less and less of those people get tested when they are sick. The stats tell us nothing about the actual number of infections. And as you believe this stuff it automatically makes people think the vaccine is working, when it is just more to do with the reaction to sickness in vaccinated or unvaccinated people you are seeing.
How does the reaction to the sickness differ in vaccinated and unvaccinated people according to what you're seeing?
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Josh wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:58 pm Note that vaccinated people have a different test that's less sensitive than unvaccinated people... and vaccinated people are told not to get tested unless they have a lot of symptoms. Whereas unvaccinated people are told to get tests even if they're asymptomatic.

The goal posts are constantly moving and everything is being blamed on the unvaccinated as if they are somehow the enemy of mankind.
And if an unvaccinated person shows up at our local hospital they admittedly put them in an emergency room with no need to, and then blame deaths of other people on unvaccinated people for taking up beds.
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mike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:59 pm
Wade wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:55 pm It's really simple. I've seen it here. As more people become vaccinated - less and less of those people get tested when they are sick. The stats tell us nothing about the actual number of infections. And as you believe this stuff it automatically makes people think the vaccine is working, when it is just more to do with the reaction to sickness in vaccinated or unvaccinated people you are seeing.
How does the reaction to the sickness differ in vaccinated and unvaccinated people according to what you're seeing?
If someone is vaccinated and is sick they are told to just stay home until they feel better.

If someone is sick and is unvaccinated they are told to isolate and get tested. If they show up at the hospital they are counted as taking up room in the hospital whether they really need to be there or not.
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mike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:59 pm
Wade wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:55 pm It's really simple. I've seen it here. As more people become vaccinated - less and less of those people get tested when they are sick. The stats tell us nothing about the actual number of infections. And as you believe this stuff it automatically makes people think the vaccine is working, when it is just more to do with the reaction to sickness in vaccinated or unvaccinated people you are seeing.
How does the reaction to the sickness differ in vaccinated and unvaccinated people according to what you're seeing?
This is not a different reaction, but some of the employers like our local hospital are requiring those not having received the vaccine to be tested every other week. It would stand to reason that folks being tested routinely will show a higher percentage of positives per capita than those who are only being tested when they are showing symptoms due to there being a percentage of folks who are asymptomatic.

https://www.wellspan.org/news/story/wel ... idly/N6481
Beginning Sept. 12, all WellSpan Health team members who choose not to get the COVID-19 vaccine but work in patient care areas will be tested for COVID-19 every other week.
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Rantz: Students told to wear mask while chewing lunch, district cites nonexistent guidance
https://mynorthwest.com/3149178/rantz-t ... ing-lunch/

So apparently kids in this school district were told to wear masks while chewing and swallowing their food. What's next?
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Wade wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:03 pm
mike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:59 pm
Wade wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:55 pm It's really simple. I've seen it here. As more people become vaccinated - less and less of those people get tested when they are sick. The stats tell us nothing about the actual number of infections. And as you believe this stuff it automatically makes people think the vaccine is working, when it is just more to do with the reaction to sickness in vaccinated or unvaccinated people you are seeing.
How does the reaction to the sickness differ in vaccinated and unvaccinated people according to what you're seeing?
If someone is vaccinated and is sick they are told to just stay home until they feel better.

If someone is sick and is unvaccinated they are told to isolate and get tested. If they show up at the hospital they are counted as taking up room in the hospital whether they really need to be there or not.
This is one reason why it matters more how many deaths are occurring in unvaccinated persons versus vaccinated, not how many reported cases.
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GaryK wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:20 am
Rantz: Students told to wear mask while chewing lunch, district cites nonexistent guidance
https://mynorthwest.com/3149178/rantz-t ... ing-lunch/

So apparently kids in this school district were told to wear masks while chewing and swallowing their food. What's next?
The unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat who made this rule up said:

“we need to treat lunchtime as a dangerous time for all.”

Something is grievously wrong with people who consider elementary school kids eating lunch “dangerous”.
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mike wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:35 am
Wade wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:03 pm
mike wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:59 pm

How does the reaction to the sickness differ in vaccinated and unvaccinated people according to what you're seeing?
If someone is vaccinated and is sick they are told to just stay home until they feel better.

If someone is sick and is unvaccinated they are told to isolate and get tested. If they show up at the hospital they are counted as taking up room in the hospital whether they really need to be there or not.
This is one reason why it matters more how many deaths are occurring in unvaccinated persons versus vaccinated, not how many reported cases.
I agree completely. But the problem is they tell us it is a covid death if someone dies WITH COVID and is unvaccinated. But I am not confident that if a vaccinated person dies WITH COVID they tell us. And besides the testing is different for an unvaccinated person as compared to a vaccinated person as to the viral load in a person that is acceptable to claim they have COVID... It's real easy to make numbers look how they want by moving a goal post here or there. Where there is no consistency they can't be trusted.
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