Yes I can see why you always insist something isn’t acceptable unless it’s from the Vatican. No one can find anything to point out supporting your claims or disputing it. I’m content to use the historical record of the Catholic Church as their website goes conveniently offline when a cat chews on the “wire”MaxPC wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:28 pmMost browsers should work unless:
The browser is on a VPN.
Settings to restrict pop ups are too tight.
The traffic on the internet overloads the site or access to the Italian systems.
The site is being updated.
A cat chewed through a wire … perhaps not that last
It takes the patience of Job to navigate the Vatican website as it has a great deal of info there that is being added to daily.
The Apocrypha
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I, too, performed such a search and also got no results. Used Brave on iOS 17.1, macOS 17, Safari on macOS 17, Firefox on Gentoo (arm64), and Edge on Windows Server 2022. Same results on all platforms.
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I just tried it as well and received an error message. Apparently there is something happening on their end. It happens when they are updating security or the information. Or it may be something else entirely.
I have noticed that uploading a post on MN has slowed dramatically too within the last 24 hours.
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Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
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Well when you can show a link, let us know. We are all waiting to see that we are no longer “heretics”MaxPC wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:49 pmI just tried it as well and received an error message. Apparently there is something happening on their end. It happens when they are updating security or the information. Or it may be something else entirely.
I have noticed that uploading a post on MN has slowed dramatically too within the last 24 hours.
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Josh, I found my older download of the information if you are interested since the Vatican website may not be operational in the next 24.MaxPC wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:49 pmI just tried it as well and received an error message. Apparently there is something happening on their end. It happens when they are updating security or the information. Or it may be something else entirely.
I have noticed that uploading a post on MN has slowed dramatically too within the last 24 hours.
This information has not changed in 70 years in the category of Theological Censure:
Translation from Catholic-speak: it is not heretical to hold theology with protocols that vary or may appear to be, counter to Catholic protocols; yet do not deny the Trinity or Christ, the Son of God. Anabaptists are in this category and not deemed heretical; Baptists likewise are not deemed heretical. They simply cannot share the same communion. This concept was noted as an aside during Billy Graham’s many visits with Pope John Paul II. They were close friends, yet Mr Graham could not receive Holy Communion during the Catholic Mass.A doctrinal proposition, without directly contradicting a received dogma, may yet involve logical consequences at variance with revealed truth. Such a proposition is not heretical, it is a ‘propositio theologice erronea’, that is, erroneous in theology.
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Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
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Are you using the right link?
https://www.vatican.va/content/vatican/en.html
It's worked consistently for me. I have done several searches about things people are discussing here.
vatican.va doesn't work. You have to use www.vatican.va.
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But did you search for "propositio theologice erronea" and get any results? Or is your browser also not in communion with their server?Bootstrap wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:37 pmAre you using the right link?
https://www.vatican.va/content/vatican/en.html
It's worked consistently for me. I have done several searches about things people are discussing here.
vatican.va doesn't work. You have to use www.vatican.va.
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Click here ...ohio jones wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:54 pm But did you search for "propositio theologice erronea" and get any results? Or is your browser also not in communion with their server?
site:https://www.vatican.va/ "propositio theologice erronea"
You can find that term more easily here:
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm
Or here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theological_censure
It refers to things that are not heresy:
Next, a doctrinal proposition, without directly contradicting a received dogma, may yet involve logical consequences at variance with revealed truth. Such a proposition is not heretical, it is a propositio theologice erronea, that is, erroneous in theology.
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Question: How is the Apocrypha related to other questions of the Catholic church and the Reformation?
Are there particular doctrines found only in the Apocrypha that played an important role?
Are there particular doctrines found only in the Apocrypha that played an important role?
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Bootstrap wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:00 pmClick here ...ohio jones wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:54 pm But did you search for "propositio theologice erronea" and get any results? Or is your browser also not in communion with their server?
site:https://www.vatican.va/ "propositio theologice erronea"
If neither Google nor vatican.va's search engine finds anything, maybe it is apocryphal (in the "hidden" sense). It's not like the search function on the .va site isn't working, I can search for "bull" and find it.No results found for site:https://www.vatican.va/ "propositio theologice erronea".
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