Trump Inspired Terrorism

[joshuabgood]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... YRDpRRinoI

This is not a screed but is from David Schanzer professor at the Sanford School of Policy at Duke University and the director of the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security.

[AnthonyMartin]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... YRDpRRinoI

This is not a screed but is from David Schanzer professor at the Sanford School of Policy at Duke University and the director of the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security.

We are no where close to this, but the potential for language to inspire violence is concerning.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26393633?r ... b_contents

[Robert]

The article you posted is an opinion piece. I think it is unwise for us to get wrapped up in opinions of the events before there has been time for the facts to clear. I see no benefit for us from this piece at this time.

[Grace]

The article you posted is an opinion piece. I think it is unwise for us to get wrapped up in opinions of the events before there has been time for the facts to clear. I see no benefit for us from this piece at this time.

Agreed.

While it is true Trump is a big windbag and his verbiage is horrible, what are the facts about shootings in the past. Was the rhetoric of past president's responsible for the shootings? I don't think so.

Bill Clinton, 8 mass shootings, 62 dead & 78 injured

George W. Bush, 8 mass shootings, 75 dead, 62 injured

Barack Obama, 24 mass shootings, 236 dead. 257 injured

Donald Trump, 4 mass shootings (so far) 83 dead, more than 512 injured.

Depending on the motives of shooters, the shootings will be blamed on the "most hated person" at the time. This time it is Trump. Remember when Sarah Palin was on the "most hated list" by leftists and she was blamed for the Gabby Giffords shooting because her political action committee circulated a map of targeting electoral districts that put Ms. Giffords and 19 other Democrats under stylized cross hairs. They forgot that Hillary Clinton had done the same thing at a prior time.

[joshuabgood]

The article you posted is an opinion piece. I think it is unwise for us to get wrapped up in opinions of the events before there has been time for the facts to clear. I see no benefit for us from this piece at this time.

Agreed.

The link posted is typical emotion based drivel we will see in the next days and weeks. Most of it will not be based on facts from the past and objective thinking. While it is true Trump is a big windbag and his verbiage is horrible, what are the facts about shootings in the past. Was the rhetoric of past president's responsible for the shootings? I don't think so.

Mass Shootings.
Bill Clinton, 8 mass shootings, 62 dead & 78 injured

George W. Bush, 8 mass shootings, 75 dead, 62 injured

Barack Obama, 24 mass shootings, 236 dead. 257 injured

Donald Trump, 4 mass shootings (so far) 83 dead, more than 512 injured.

These shooting will always be blamed on someone that people love to hate upon at that time. Remember when the Gabby Giffords shooting was blamed on Sarah Palin because her political action committee circulated a map of targeting electoral districts that put Ms. Giffords and 19 other Democrats under stylized cross hairs. They forgot that Hillary Clinton had done the same thing at a prior time.

Grace, if you don't mind, could you source your statistics. The reason being, how you determine what "mass" means, etc really matters. For instance, according to CBS News there has been no less than 250 mass shootings in the USA already this year.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2019-mass- ... this-year/

And this from the Washington Monthly...

After years of incendiary racist rhetoric from conservative infotainment, far-right websites, troll forums like 8chan and, of course, President Trump himself, America is suffering from a crisis of white-supremacist terrorist violence. The FBI now acknowledges white supremacy as the nation’s most deadly terrorist ideology. Right-wing extremist attacks have been increasing year over year, surging to a high not seen since the racist terrorist Tim McVeigh bombed a federal building in 1995.

It has worsened since Trump was elected. His rallies are ugly and often violent affairs, and he has tacitly encouraged white nationalist extremism. There was, of course, the deadly alt-right rally in Charlottesville where a neo-Nazi killed a decent young women. There was the anti-semitic killing at the Poway synagogue by an alt-right extremist. And, of course, there was the Charleston massacre at a black church by another white supremacist.

[joshuabgood]

The article you posted is an opinion piece. I think it is unwise for us to get wrapped up in opinions of the events before there has been time for the facts to clear. I see no benefit for us from this piece at this time.

Unless my assessment is off, pretty much the function of this website, Mennonet, is to air opinions. So I don't know why the article, written by a specialist in the field, from a top ranked university, wouldn't be one worth listening to or discussing.

[Grace]

Grace, if you don't mind, could you source your statistics. The reason being, how you determine what "mass" means, etc really matters. For instance, according to CBS News there has been no less than 250 mass shootings in the USA already this year.

Sure, glad to do that. I guess I should have included the word "deadliest" in my post.

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publica ... -shootings

[joshuabgood]

Grace, if you don't mind, could you source your statistics. The reason being, how you determine what "mass" means, etc really matters. For instance, according to CBS News there has been no less than 250 mass shootings in the USA already this year.

Sure, glad to do that. I guess I should have included the word "deadliest" in my post.

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publica ... -shootings

Thanks. It is as I thought. The definitions are different.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/na ... 913486001/

Here is a USA Today article noting the 251 mass shootings this year alone with a graph that shows the spike in the last few years. However, the definition of "Mass shooting" is different than the stats to which you were referring.

[Bootstrap]

Sure, glad to do that. I guess I should have included the word "deadliest" in my post.

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publica ... -shootings

Thanks. It is as I thought. The definitions are different.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 913486001/

Here is a USA Today article noting the 251 mass shootings this year alone with a graph that shows the spike in the last few years. However, the definition of "Mass shooting" is different than the stats to which you were referring.

It also compares less than two years of Trump's presidency (up to October 2017) with eight years of Obama's presidency. Not really a fair comparison.

And can anyone tell me about the ones who quoted Obama when they committed their atrocities? I don't remember any. We're up to 18 for Trump now.

[Robert]

Unless my assessment is off, pretty much the function of this website, Mennonet, is to air opinions. So I don't know why the article, written by a specialist in the field, from a top ranked university, wouldn't be one worth listening to or discussing.

It is supposed to center on Anabaptist issues and events. We always get sidetracked with this stuff though.