1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Place for books, articles, and websites with content that connect or detail Anabaptist theology
Reflecting
Posts: 307
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:16 pm
Affiliation: Mennonite

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by Reflecting »

I should use italics to clarify my thoughts. I don’t mean to YELL at anyone. ;)
0 x
”reflectthelight” in MDland
User avatar
Bootstrap
Posts: 14674
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:59 am
Affiliation: Mennonite

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by Bootstrap »

Reflecting wrote:
KingdomBuilder wrote:Are we saying it's evil as defined by the subjectivity of man's eye?
We should be talking about evil in the sight of God, in my opinion.
But in context that doesn’t make sense. HUMANS are the ones who have to struggle with APPEARANCE of evil. God sees what is, not what appears.
Hebrews 5 tells us this:
But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.
Why do you need to train your powers of discernment by constant practice? Because it's not as easy as judging by appearances.

As John 7 tells us:
Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.
The KJV translates that correctly, incidentally:
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath - Isn't that a violation of Scripture? What would that look like to others? Won't that cause some brother to stumble?
0 x
Is it biblical? Is it Christlike? Is it loving? Is it true? How can I find out?
User avatar
Josh
Posts: 24388
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:23 pm
Location: 1000' ASL
Affiliation: The church of God

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by Josh »

I've put it this way: "If it looks bad, it is bad." So avoid doing things that look like something you shouldn't be doing, even if you can justify it and you actually are doing something that is OK.

A more secular way to put it would be "Don't act like a suspect."
0 x
User avatar
Bootstrap
Posts: 14674
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:59 am
Affiliation: Mennonite

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by Bootstrap »

Josh wrote:I've put it this way: "If it looks bad, it is bad." So avoid doing things that look like something you shouldn't be doing, even if you can justify it and you actually are doing something that is OK.

A more secular way to put it would be "Don't act like a suspect."
A lot of what Jesus did looked bad to the religious authorities. It eventually got him crucified.
0 x
Is it biblical? Is it Christlike? Is it loving? Is it true? How can I find out?
User avatar
Josh
Posts: 24388
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:23 pm
Location: 1000' ASL
Affiliation: The church of God

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by Josh »

Bootstrap wrote:
Josh wrote:I've put it this way: "If it looks bad, it is bad." So avoid doing things that look like something you shouldn't be doing, even if you can justify it and you actually are doing something that is OK.

A more secular way to put it would be "Don't act like a suspect."
A lot of what Jesus did looked bad to the religious authorities. It eventually got him crucified.
But he was quite concerned that he did the things he "saw" his father doing.
0 x
User avatar
Bootstrap
Posts: 14674
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:59 am
Affiliation: Mennonite

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by Bootstrap »

Josh wrote:
Bootstrap wrote:A lot of what Jesus did looked bad to the religious authorities. It eventually got him crucified.
But he was quite concerned that he did the things he "saw" his father doing.
If we do the things we see our father doing, we may look suspect to others. They may crucify us. We have to distinguish good from evil. We also have to distinguish good from what looks good and distinguish evil from what looks evil. How it seems to me is not the right standard. What it might look like to others is not the right standard either, even if it is other Christians.
0 x
Is it biblical? Is it Christlike? Is it loving? Is it true? How can I find out?
User avatar
JimFoxvog
Posts: 2907
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:56 pm
Location: Northern Illinois
Affiliation: MCUSA

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by JimFoxvog »

I believe the OP is clear. "Appearance" in the KJV in this verse does not mean what we usually think of as "appearance" in today's language. Many things we are supposed to do will "look bad" to some others. For example, it "looks bad" to many to have a fellowship whose members will not join the military or salute the flag. It used to very much "look bad" to many church people for people with dark skin to sit down together to eat with people with light skin. The golden rule is our summary statement on what to do, not how something might look to someone else.

Yes, part of love is not causing a brother to stumble, which is defined as encouraging them to imitate your behavior when they feel it may be sinful. That's as far as I can see it as considering an appearance of evil in the modern sense.
0 x
Heirbyadoption
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:57 pm
Affiliation: Brethren

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by Heirbyadoption »

Hats Off wrote:I think those of us who read the KJV understand it to mean what the translations you quote are saying. it may be possible to give it a broader meaning but that isn't necessary.
I'll just offer personal experience, but coming from a die-hard KJV-only group, the general understanding and teaching among our folk was always based on a reading such as the KJV suggests (to avoid evil appearance).
0 x
User avatar
Bootstrap
Posts: 14674
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:59 am
Affiliation: Mennonite

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by Bootstrap »

Heirbyadoption wrote:
Hats Off wrote:I think those of us who read the KJV understand it to mean what the translations you quote are saying. it may be possible to give it a broader meaning but that isn't necessary.
I'll just offer personal experience, but coming from a die-hard KJV-only group, the general understanding and teaching among our folk was always based on a reading such as the KJV suggests (to avoid evil appearance).
In my life, people have generally quoted this verse to me when I point out that something is biblical and right, but they think it might look bad to someone else or cause controversy.

We should do what is right, boldly, even if it looks bad to some religious people. We should let the Bible and the discerning community help us know what that is.
0 x
Is it biblical? Is it Christlike? Is it loving? Is it true? How can I find out?
Reflecting
Posts: 307
Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:16 pm
Affiliation: Mennonite

Re: 1 Thess 5:22 Appearance of evil? Form of evil?

Post by Reflecting »

Bootstrap wrote: We should do what is right, boldly, even if it looks bad to some religious people. We should let the Bible and the discerning community help us know what that is.

It strikes me that this is another thread ties into what you are saying in the other, um, “thread” about submission versus group-think.
0 x
”reflectthelight” in MDland
Post Reply