Re: Question about Marxist Analysis of Class Consciousness
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:27 pm
1917 to 1920 was when they succeeded. Political unrest started building toward that point decades before that.
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1917 to 1920 was when they succeeded. Political unrest started building toward that point decades before that.
My larger point is that Marx got a whole lot wrong. For example, he thought that the progress towards communism would follow a logical dialectic in which society would pass through industrial capitalism first and then workers would achieve "class consciousness" and mobilize in industrial capitalist societies like Britain, France, Germany, and the US. He didn't expect it to come first in Russia which was too rural, religious, and feudal. That was the whole "religion is the opiate of the people" thing. He was talking about places like rural Russia.Neto wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:27 pm1917 to 1920 was when they succeeded. Political unrest started building toward that point decades before that.
Movements like Stalinism, Maoism and Khmer Rouge could be labeled Marxist inspired rather than Marxist.Ken wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:38 pm My larger point is that Marx got a whole lot wrong. For example, he thought that the progress towards communism would follow a logical dialectic in which society would pass through industrial capitalism first and then workers would achieve "class consciousness" and mobilize in industrial capitalist societies like Britain, France, Germany, and the US. He didn't expect it to come first in Russia which was too rural, religious, and feudal. That was the whole "religion is the opiate of the people" thing. He was talking about places like rural Russia.
Ironically you hear a lot of the same exact sentiment about Christianity. And why, for example, we have so many different splinter groups within Anabaptism and Christianity in general.joshuabgood wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:59 pm Marxism is a lot like capitalism. In theory it works for everyone. In reality it never quite works. The purists always say it was never quite done right...if it was...it would work.
That is not the central premise of our church at all. However, following Jesus is indeed a narrow way, and there is a broad path that leads to destruction. We spend most of our time focused on what we need to do right, not what people outside of church are doing wrong.
There are an estimated 2.2 billion Christians in the world. Your church has what? 25,000 members tops? So you represent roughly 0.001% of Christianity.Josh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:00 pmThat is not the central premise of our church at all. However, following Jesus is indeed a narrow way, and there is a broad path that leads to destruction. We spend most of our time focused on what we need to do right, not what people outside of church are doing wrong.
I tend to agree. That is, if Communism was done "right", it would work. (I think I was already saying this in HS, or at least by the time I was in the "Hippie Jesus People Movement".) But doing it right requires that EVERYONE is practicing the basic principles of the Jewish Law, which Jesus summed up in two. (Maybe God never intended for people to think that there were 10 Commandments. Jesus clarified that.)joshuabgood wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:59 pm Marxism is a lot like capitalism. In theory it works for everyone. In reality it never quite works. The purists always say it was never quite done right...if it was...it would work.