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by Bootstrap
Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:40 am
Forum: Announcements and Introductions
Topic: Can we make MN less hostile?
Replies: 605
Views: 67945

Re: Can we make MN less hostile?

Disciple of Christ wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:58 am BTW is it possible to ban other users of this group so that they can no longer read anything you post?
No. You can set it up so you do not see their posts, but not the other way around.
by Bootstrap
Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:15 pm
Forum: Current Events
Topic: War in Gaza
Replies: 300
Views: 63634

Re: War in Gaza

Which sounds familiar to the Gaza War logic. Hamas is a death cult too. And Israel thinks that this war will somehow reduce deaths in the long run if they can win totally. Point being, when the stakes are high enough, the rules erode. When the stakes are low, rules can be afforded. It’s good when t...
by Bootstrap
Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:52 am
Forum: Current Events
Topic: War in Gaza
Replies: 300
Views: 63634

Re: War in Gaza

I don’t know if it is cynicism or callousness. Maybe hopeless. Maybe acceptance. It's a decision to not hunger and thirst for righteousness, a decision to not mourn what really should be mourned, a decision to justify truly horrible things and let one side off the hook - but not the other side. I d...
by Bootstrap
Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:04 pm
Forum: Current Events
Topic: War in Gaza
Replies: 300
Views: 63634

Re: War in Gaza

Perhaps we could use examples like Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden to make Ken's point. These are all widely condemned actions by the United States. We killed LOTS of civilians. 70,000 in Hiroshima, 40,000 in Nagasaki, 25,000 in Dresden. Israel killing 30,000+ people in Gaza is on this same scale. ...
by Bootstrap
Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:34 pm
Forum: Current Events
Topic: War in Gaza
Replies: 300
Views: 63634

Re: War in Gaza

You say we're talking about mass atrocities against civilians at a level that most governments do not do. Which may perhaps be the case strictly as worded, but change that phrase "do not do" to "would not do" and it's a whole different story. Time and time again violence against...
by Bootstrap
Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:25 pm
Forum: Current Events
Topic: War in Gaza
Replies: 300
Views: 63634

Re: War in Gaza

Here's what I struggle with. Isn't Hamas doing the same thing? They have a lot less power than Israel, so they do what terrorist groups do. And sure, there is no such thing as clean, fair terrorism either. But I don't hear people talking about Hamas and Israel the same way here. Is it somehow bette...
by Bootstrap
Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:11 pm
Forum: Current Events
Topic: War in Gaza
Replies: 300
Views: 63634

Re: War in Gaza

You say we're talking about mass atrocities against civilians at a level that most governments do not do. Which may perhaps be the case strictly as worded, but change that phrase "do not do" to "would not do" and it's a whole different story. Time and time again violence against...
by Bootstrap
Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:08 pm
Forum: Current Events
Topic: War in Gaza
Replies: 300
Views: 63634

Re: War in Gaza

We're not talking about holding governments to Kingdom of God standards. We're talking about mass atrocities against civilians at a level that most governments do not do. And I think some of these posts let Israel off the hook, imply that these civilians don't count, that Israel can do whatever the...
by Bootstrap
Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:58 pm
Forum: Current Events
Topic: War in Gaza
Replies: 300
Views: 63634

Re: War in Gaza

I don't think that RZehr or GaryK are in any way letting Israel off the hook. I think what they are highlighting is that when we start to talk about "rules of engagement" or criticizing one country or another for their failure to adhere to "rules of war" it implies that it's not...
by Bootstrap
Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:54 pm
Forum: Current Events
Topic: War in Gaza
Replies: 300
Views: 63634

Re: War in Gaza

I think it's entirely possible to mourn wars and to long for peace while at the same time recognizing the practices that earthly governments have historically used in wartime and to recognize that it will continue in the future as well. But even earthly governments condemn what both Israel and Hama...