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by Nomad
Sat May 11, 2024 2:24 pm
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

While I see a future promise for the nation of ethnic Israel with Jesus as their King/ Messiah reigning in the Land of Israel from the city of Jerusalem as the OT prophets stated and the NT saints were expecting (Mary, Simeon, Zechariah, John the Baptist, etc...)...I do not consider myself a Zionist...
by Nomad
Sat May 11, 2024 1:50 pm
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

When I read Acts 15, I see it as James pointing to a inference made by Amos's prophecy that there will be Gentiles who will be called out by God as His people. This was a bit foreign to Jews in the Old Testament economy and was a central issue in the New Testament under the New Covenant. Ruth, for i...
by Nomad
Sat May 11, 2024 1:20 am
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

For me its less about "modern Israel" and more about reading Gods intentions for the "how" he plans to restore His Creation from Genesis to Revelations. Well put. I think there are indications of a return to the land of Israel, and that a Jewish temple will be rebuilt prior to t...
by Nomad
Fri May 10, 2024 9:32 pm
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

So, if I'm hearing how you and Josh interpret this. You believe that God is working through Rome to destroy the city of Jerusalem in AD70 for the purpose of crushing the unbelieving Jews. Are we to believe all the believing Jews were saved in this massacre and the unbelieving slain, thus leaving th...
by Nomad
Fri May 10, 2024 8:46 pm
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

My perspective is that many Israelites accepted Christ and indeed created what is now the church. They were the first Christians. The unbelievers perished in 70 AD when the temple was destroyed, never to be rebuilt again. The continuation of “Israel” in the church and Christians, going all the way ...
by Nomad
Fri May 10, 2024 9:44 am
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

What is the difference between “Israel” and the church? Specifically, it is very clear that salvation is offered to individuals, and not a national basis. And more importantly, individuals who don’t accept Christ or who reject him won’t be saved. In this understanding it’s hard for me to see what e...
by Nomad
Thu May 09, 2024 3:37 pm
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

Should I elaborate in comparison to the belief that it's clear and not shadowy, or in contrast to the position that it's not there at all? I'm assuming by "True Israel" you are making it synonymous with the Church by your stating it includes Jews, Israelis, or Gentiles. I'm more wondering...
by Nomad
Thu May 09, 2024 1:53 pm
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

If I were writing this, I would say "The true Israel is believers in the Messiah, whether they are Jews, Israelis, or Gentiles." 1. Deleting "today" because this is not new; it's even present in shadowy form in the Old Testament. 2. Removing the insinuation that Jews or Israelis...
by Nomad
Thu May 09, 2024 9:18 am
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

None but Jews are drafted. Are these Muslims (absolutely none serve), Christians (some actually do serve, but they keep them in their own units, and in the far south, for reasons to difficult to explain) or Druze (many do serve, but accd. To news accounts, they are not seeing the benefits. I suspec...
by Nomad
Thu May 09, 2024 12:52 am
Forum: General Theology
Topic: The Israeli state?
Replies: 52
Views: 1351

Re: The Israeli state?

Arab citizens simply are not equal. Not even close, not even the Christian ones. Plenty of employment and housing discrimination, largely because they do not serve in the army, and an army record is a prerequisite for most good jobs. Schools and housing are not allocated equal money. Even Arab Isra...